Tom C., who serves as a tour guide at the home of Dr. Bob, talks with Don and Sam about getting sober in AA, and shares some of what he’s learned about Bill and Bob in Akron. Spoiler alert—Tom’s a ringer at Stump the Thumper. While we provide the podcast at no charge, it is not free to produce. To support the AA Grapevine Podcast, please subscribe to the magazine or purchase books or other items at